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The 7-Step Email System Working with Meta and Google Ads
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Transcript
G'day everyone, Glenn from Solutions Aid again.
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:I'm with Dan Nickis, our
Facebook Klaviyo expert.
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:We are going to do a bit of
a deep dive into the Elite 7.
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:So this is Dan's customized
Klaviyo email flow.
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:he's got a case study of a client
that he's been managing for what,
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:Three years, two years now, Dan?
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:That's two and a half now.
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:That's two and a half years, And
he's going to go through, show you
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:the performance, I think the last
30 days, what you've been doing
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:and go in depth with the Elite
7 and how you build it all out.
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:Take it away, Dan.
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:Thanks for having me on again.
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:when we talk about flows, these are the
automated flows that we set up based
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:on the user's behavior when they come
to your website, and based on what
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:they actually do, what actions they
take, we put them into different flows.
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:this is the case study that
we're going to be using.
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:I'll just wait till that pops up for you.
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:So this is a client we've been
running email marketing for
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:the last two and a half years.
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:they're obviously very happy with it.
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:They're based out of the US.
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:and as you can see, probably things
that I want to make sure that
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:everyone's aware of is that we're
using the most up to date figures.
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:during Black Friday, Cyber Monday,
when stats always seem to appear
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:better than what they actually are.
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:Last 30 days, they've done 1.
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:8 million at total revenue.
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:this is a store that's
connected to Shopify.
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:of that we've attributed You
know, the 32 percent of their
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:revenues come from email marketing.
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:When you break that down, nearly
19 percent has come from campaigns
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:that we send out for them.
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:The one I don't want to concentrate on
today is this 81%, which is the flyer.
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:So this is the automated component,
but that's 81 percent of 599.
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:Correct.
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:Wow.
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:That's about 450 K.
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:It's a lot of money.
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:And This is automated.
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:So this, the reason that they
perform so well with the flows is
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:because it's super relevant to user.
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:So the user receives this email
after they've taken a certain action.
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:On the website after they've interacted
with your brand a certain way.
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:So when you receive this email and we've
got, I'll go through, some different
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:flows that we use based on these actions.
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:And I'll show you on my
actual brand's website.
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:What actions, can actually take
and I'll simulate it for you.
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:the great thing is that, we're always
trying to get the right message to
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:the right person at the right time.
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:Now, these are super relevant because,
as an example, the most basic one that
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:we all know about email marketing flows
is when someone adds to cart and abandons
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:the cart, we send them an email, it's
very relevant to them because what we do
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:is dynamically we put the product that
they had in their cart back in front
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:of them, or the products that they had
in their cart back in front of them,
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:and then we speak to them personally.
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:Sometimes we offer an incentive.
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:It's different stages during the
flow, but ultimately with one click
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:the person can go back to their cart.
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:So we see really super high open rates and
really high click through rates because
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:it's really relevant to that person.
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:It's not a surprise.
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:It's not an email campaign
that doesn't apply to them.
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:It's not something someone they
haven't heard from for a while.
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:It will hit them at a moment in
time when they have just left and
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:taken that action on your website.
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:So it's going to be You know, you've
just had a last touchpoint with them,
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:you're creating another touchpoint.
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:So it's not going to be this unknown
factor to them, which is why we
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:get such great results with it.
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:we've got a few different
things going on in this account.
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:But fundamentally, I want you to look
at what we call our Welcome Series here,
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:which is like our lead to our target, and
I'll take you through each one of those.
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:We've got an Abandoned Browse,
we've got an Abandoned Cart,
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:we've got an Abandoned Checkout.
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:We've then got post purchase retention,
then we also have, a wingback or
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:a honeymoon float for the people.
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:We also then have things like this
feathers one here is what we'll call
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:our cross sale up sale float as well.
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:So there's a lot going on there.
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:Don't be overwhelmed by it all, and I'll
take you through each of those different
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:steps as we move through this call.
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:But fundamentally, what I want
you to look at is the results
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:that we're getting from it.
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:we're looking at.
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:When people come to our
website and they haven't bought
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:anything, but they've signed up.
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:We're sending out 75, 000 emails,
we're getting 90 cents per recipient.
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:Now, that one has seen a drop off because
we introduced another one, but 68, 000.
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:Abandoned browser, like our window
shop, that's not taken through,
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:that's 128, 000, nearly 129, 000.
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:Abandoned car, 114, 000.
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:Abandoned checkout, nearly 81, 000.
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:we're talking big figures.
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:based on user behavior.
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:Now, when we're looking at all those,
keep that in mind, these are our
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:top ranking ones, and we can always
add different components to it.
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:But this is where this
is our starting point.
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:This is when we build out a new brand.
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:we take on a new client when we
build them out to start with.
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:This is the framework that they're
going to get to start with.
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:And then it depends on the brand as to
what direction we take other flows or
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:what other messaging we try to send out.
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:But this is not your campaigns.
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:Campaigns are separate to it, and
they also bring in revenue as well.
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:we'll start here, we call it the Elite 7.
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:We start with the Legionary Target.
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:So this is people who have
signed up to our list.
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:But haven't purchased.
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:So they've come to the website,
filled in a pop up or a sign up form,
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:either in your footer or wherever
it might be, but haven't purchased.
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:And this is this one here
that we're referring to.
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:So it's our fourth biggest revenue
generator for this client.
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:As an example, this is my brand's website.
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:people come, they go to the pop
up, after 10 seconds it pops up.
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:So we build out the sign up
forms or the pop ups for them.
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:Some have an incentive, some have
informational guides they give
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:out, some have free shipping.
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:Whatever it is that you offer, people
fill out the pop up, but they don't
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:purchase, they go into this flow.
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:That's this one here.
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:Really big generator.
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:It's got the highest volume
there because there is a lot of
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:people coming into this website.
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:The next part in the sequence
is abandoned browser.
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:So we'll call these window shoppers.
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:So these are people that
have come to your website.
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:They haven't taken any other action
except for come to your website
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:and looked at a product page.
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:We're not talking about
homepage or collection pages.
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:We're talking about people that
have looked at specific products.
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:Now we install some tracking on
your website through Klaviyo.
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:It's a bit of a script.
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:And what it does is it picks
up on this user's behaviour.
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:Who they are, what their email is.
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:What they've looked at similar to in
the way that your meta or Facebook
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:piece of works or your Google scripts
work to track people, track users
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:with cookies around your website.
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:So let's just say for example, I
come to here and I'm like, I'll have
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:to look at those and I get to this
page and I'm like, I got distracted.
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:I need to go and do something else.
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:Finish my lunch break or whatever
it might be and I leave the website.
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:We call that a window shopper.
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:They fall in to the abandoned
browse category here.
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:So that is one of our
top generating flows.
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:They've taken no more buying action.
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:All they've done is look at the product
and you can see because it's super
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:relevant to the person, the revenue
that it generates is huge because
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:we're taking them straight back to
that point in that buying journey that
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:they're on where they dropped out.
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:The next stage in it is abandoned car.
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:So this is a bit higher intent
than just looking at products.
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:They've actually put something in the car.
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:As an example,
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:I'll go to my cart up here.
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:If I've gone to the add to cart
page, which is You've got a
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:few things in your cart, mate.
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:I've got a few things in the cart.
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:I might have gone through and done it.
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:Basically, when someone adds to the
cart here, what happens is they're not
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:entering any of their personal details in.
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:Again, we track them.
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:Now, this is different to what most
people refer to as add to cart.
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:What they're actually referring
to is an abandoned checkout.
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:When someone adds to the cart, the
script fires, we pick them up there,
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:and you can see here, it's when
they've added to cart, it's another
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:high revenue generator for this brand.
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:And this is the same across the board.
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:We do see, these top 4 come
out always within the top 4 for
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:every brand that we run this for.
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:The order of these might vary slightly,
depending on the brand, but these are part
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:of that core 7 that we need to set up for
you, and, they always do generate revenue.
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:So that's your Abandoned Cart.
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:The next one is the Abandoned Checkout.
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:So when someone does go to the
checkout page and they do actually
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:enter in their details, that's
what we call Abandoned Checkout.
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:Now that is normally mistaken.
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:A lot of people by default
call that Abandoned Cart.
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:It's actually not.
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:This is when they've started the checkout.
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:We've already got our
Abandoned Cart there.
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:And again, it works on scripts.
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:Abandoned Checkout, people have actually
put their details into the checkout.
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:Again, we've got a lot more intent.
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:They're way up there in terms of,
the journey where they are, they're
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:almost across the finish line for us.
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:The other thing of note in here when
you're looking at these is we've got email
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:and we also have SMS attached to that.
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:So what we do is when we get
people to sign up, we'll also try
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:and get their cell phone details.
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:Then, during these flows,
we'll have an either or.
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:So either someone has consented
to email, but hasn't consented
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:to SMS, they'll get an email.
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:Initially, we might send them an
email, but for the second touch
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:point within that flow, we might say,
these guys have also given us their
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:permission or consent to send an SMS.
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:Let's not send them a second email.
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:Let's send them an SMS this time and
then we'll move our way through there.
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:So if we come back to here, the next stage
is we welcome new and returning customers.
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:This is often lost on people or
lost on brands that once they
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:feel that the race is over once
you've actually converted them.
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:This is where we see a lot of easy
wins, because it's easier to convert
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:an existing customer than it is
to try and convert a new customer.
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:So we've got in here our post
purchase retention, and that
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:generates revenue there for us,
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:So this triggers after
someone has placed an order.
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:there is, in the last 30 days, another
8, 000 worth of revenue generated
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:for this brand, for people that have
bought within that last 30 days.
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:And a lot of people are now,
why would they buy again?
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:You don't know if you don't ask.
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:So we'll ask them and that we
welcome them to the family.
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:We talk about the reviews.
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:We talk about other complimentary
products that we might have.
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:we're not talking about
upsell or cross sells here.
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:That comes, that's a different
stage of the equation.
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:But at this stage, we
just welcome them in.
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:And then during that flow, we'll tell
them a bit more about the brand story.
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:And then towards the end of it, we
can offer an incentive to get them
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:to come back and purchase again.
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:As a reward for being part of the family,
part of the tribe, a loyal customer.
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:How do you want to word
it within your brand?
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:The next stage is the cross sell upsell.
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:So this is generating
more repeat customers.
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:I'll preface this with saying this whole
system is designed, A, to convert leads
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:into customers, B, to convert those
customers into repeat customers, and
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:C, to reduce the time period between
purchases for those repeat customers.
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:we're looking at one time purchaser,
then a repeat purchaser, and
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:then a multiple repeat purchaser.
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:we're increasing that frequency
of purchase, but trying to reduce
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:the actual time between purchases.
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:overall, we're trying to increase
the lifetime value of those customers
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:through this email marketing system.
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:The cross sell upsells work exceptionally
well, and this is dependent on your brand.
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:but this brand does very well with cross
sell upsell, different products to them,
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:complementary products to their range.
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:someone might buy one thing, We know
that they didn't buy this other thing.
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:This is something that we
know converts really well.
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:It's quite often brought together.
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:We will show that to them.
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:We will show other items to them that
complement the original purchase.
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:And you can know, you can see that,
you would know that as a brand owner.
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:But when people buy product A,
they usually buy product B as well.
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:Or when people buy product A,
they might buy product B, C and D.
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:we can track that through
reports on the BackUnit website.
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:A lot of you probably do it on your
checkout already or on your cart.
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:Did you want to add this on, your upsell
based apps or plugins that you use on your
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:website or your cross sell based stuff,
We see them all the time on websites.
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:Frequently bought together,
this is what you can add in.
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:So we know what's happening there.
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:So we replicate that in, The flow
here in the automation series with
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:the cross sell upsellers, last
one that we do run is, a win back.
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:And this is for people that
have previously past customers
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:that become disengaged.
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:Again, our intention is
to get repeat customers.
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:once they've become disengaged
with us, we try to reintroduce them
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:and try to get them to reengage
and become a customer again.
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:If we can do this various ways, one
of the simplest ways is to offer
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:incentive to get them to come back.
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:A lot of brands balk at all, I don't
want to have to offer incentives to
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:get people to become repeat customers.
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:And the simple conversation that we
generally have with them is how much,
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:what's your acquisition on paid social
or Google to get a new customer?
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:let's pick a number out.
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:It cost me 50 to acquire a customer.
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:That's, average order value could be 150.
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:It cost me 50 to acquire a customer.
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:All right, the average order value is 150.
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:Offer them a 10 percent
discount to come back.
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:The 10 percent discount is 15.
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:And that's where sort of the lightbulb
moment goes off for a lot of brand owners.
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:They're like, I don't want to offer an
incentive, but I don't want to offer a
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:discount, but I'm happy to go out and
pay another 50 to acquire a new customer.
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:Why not just fork out 15 and you can
have a repeat customer come back.
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:You've already got that brand loyalty.
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:I've already got it.
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:You don't have to build
trust with them again.
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:You don't have to build
engagement with them again.
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:You don't have to convince them.
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:All you're trying to do
is just get them back.
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:And it's not always a sinister reason why
they haven't become a repeat purchaser.
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:You could just be.
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:Out of sight, out of mind, they might
just not need that product at the moment.
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:And I just need a reminder or potentially
an incentive like we just spoke about.
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:Then so your cost per acquisition on
getting that repeat purchase is 15.
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:So when we frame it like that,
a lot of brands come back and
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:say, yeah, I'm happy to do that.
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:so that's how we get them back.
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:And then we constantly.
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:This feeds a level of engagement with
them as well, so that when we send
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:campaigns out, we exclude people that
are in the current flows, because
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:they're getting really relevant
information about their customer journey.
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:Once they're out of these flows, they're
very engaged with us, and they'll start
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:receiving what we'll call our business
as usual campaigns or special offers or
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:events, campaign strategy that we have.
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:The other question we
quite often get asked is.
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:I don't want people in seven flows.
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:The simple answer is that they
can't possibly be in seven flows.
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:The way we designed these with
the rule base that we set up for
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:them is that when one door opens
for a flow, another one closes.
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:So that's an example of that.
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:Let's say you're in here and
you've signed into an opt in form.
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:You've been nowhere but the home page.
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:You'll end up in the lead free
target flow because you've
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:had never purchased anything.
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:You haven't never added anything
to cart, browse, checked out,
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:gone to the checkout, nothing.
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:And they're like, what if they then go
back, come back, we get them back to the
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:website and add something to the car.
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:Are they going to be in the leisurely
target flow as well as the abandoned car?
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:And the answer is no.
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:When one door opens for a flow, the door
for the flow that currently encloses
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:is probably the simplest way to put it.
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:it's conditional logic that if
they're in this sequence, then
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:they're removed from that sequence.
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:And so they're not getting
double ups, in other words.
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:Exactly.
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:Because the messaging is not right then.
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:Because talking to them at this level.
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:we're trying to build up the brand trust.
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:So we're talking about the background of
the band, the pillars of the brand, maybe
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:the unique selling propositions, about
the reviews, about our payment options,
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:all these different kinds of things.
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:So we're talking to them as
people that don't really know us.
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:If they've come to the cart, the content
in that email is specific about the
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:product that they added to the cart.
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:Yeah, it's not a generic one.
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:It's not a generic one.
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:So we're not trying to build so much,
brand awareness like we are here.
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:We're actually talking about the stage
and the customer journey they're in.
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:If they then do go on to purchase,
they'll receive a welcome email.
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:They'll be the door will
close to the abandoned car.
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:So it's all super relevant to them.
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:They're not getting bombarded with emails.
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:The length of the flows is the
other question we get asked.
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:how long is the leasery target flow?
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:How long is the abandoned car flow?
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:And the answer is as long as
it needs to be for your brand.
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:And the way we determine that is we
use a lot of data from our Google Ads.
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:account managers and we'll look
at that consideration window.
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:So from the time of the first impression
on an ad on Google the time of conversion.
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:So for my brand with GearBunch, I know
it takes on average about 16 times for
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:a person to first see an ad to convert.
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:That's a fairly good indicator of
how long it takes someone to make
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:in that consideration phase before
they decide to make a purchase.
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:To some brands who like high
end products, that can take.
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:In excess of 30 days because there might
be a lot of consideration that goes
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:into, we've got some that go up to 60.
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:There you go.
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:and for the 60, we would have flow series.
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:emails that run for 60 days.
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:Because during that 60 days,
during that consideration phase,
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:we want to be in contact with them.
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:And that's not an email every day for
60 days, but we want to be in regular
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:contact with them, creating touch points
and talking to them about why this is the
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:choice for them, why this product they
need, why this is the product they want,
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:what other people are saying about us.
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:Did you know we have
these payment options?
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:Did you know we'd make the products here?
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:Do you know we're a family owned business?
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:Do you know that we have I've
been in business for this long.
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:All of those things that go to
barriers that talk to barriers that
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:potential customers might have.
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:When they're trying to make
a decision about buying.
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:Alternatively, you could
have a product that has a
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:consideration phase of three days.
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:the flows are going to be
a hell of a lot shorter.
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:Least need to have the flows as long
as what the consideration phase is.
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:Because otherwise, if we go,
you've got a client, take 60 days
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:for them to make up their mind.
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:you know what?
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:Let's give them three days of
emails to try and convert them.
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:that doesn't make sense.
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:it's a long game there.
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:So we need to make the flows longer.
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:We need to talk to them for a longer time.
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:So you've got all that consideration.
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:it's the conversion lag
you're taking into account.
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:You've got these automated flows.
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:You've got, then you've also
got your normal newsletters.
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:You've got promotional emails
that you're sending out.
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:It's just a constant the system
that you're developing and depending
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or some sale is happening there.
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:Retargeting.
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:There's like a whole
system and method going on.
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:products are back in stock,
new product releases, new
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campaigns, whilst our flows
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to get them back into that buying process.
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:say they've abandoned the card
or they've been a window shopper.
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:They're abandoned the checkout.
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:The campaign should be more informational.
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:So we're trying to maintain
constant contact with them.
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:So we're trying to train the
users when they come into the
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receive regular emails from us.
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:and what that does is it trains them to
look for our emails during the flows.
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:We actually show them how to put them
into their primary inbox instead of
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:they might be in their promotions
so that they're looking for them and
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:we're giving signals to the system.
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:Hey, this is email that they want.
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:we'll encourage them to reply to
emails at different stages of the
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:flows again so that it sends good
signals to the email service providers.
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:That content is relevant to this user.
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:In fact, not only have they opened and
clicked on it, they're replying to it.
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:So we want them to reply at
different stages of the flows.
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:And then when we do run an event, let's
say the easiest one to talk about is
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:Black Friday, Cyber Monday, by the time
we get to that event, these new users
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:have all been trained that they're
going to receive emails from us.
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:And in fact, a lot of the emails we sent
out during that time are informational
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:and helpful, like how to guides, or are
you having trouble with this, or we've got
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:this new product, this new release, it's
not always just trying to sell to them.
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:Then when we get to those big sale
periods, we've got this hyper engaged
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:list that we then go out to with this big
offer, or whatever it might be, for your
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:brand, and it's really well received,
because we're not just holding off, and
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:for three months we've sent nothing,
then all of a sudden we're trying to
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:blast, 100, 000 people out with emails.
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:I'm glad with your email service
provider and your users not looking
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:for it because they haven't heard
from you for quite some time.
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:So it's about this constant touch points.
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:I think we spoke about it in the last one.
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:We used to be a rule of 7, we needed 7
touch points with people and that's why
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:we changed our Facebook ad strategy.
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:The latest data is telling us anywhere
between 17 and 20 touchpoints to
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:develop that trust and convert someone.
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:this is just another part of
the system creating really
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:solid touchpoints with them.
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:Mate, that's good.
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:We have been rubbing on for
quite a while now, so we won't
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:bore our watchers any further.
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:But that was good, mate.
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:That was a really good in depth analysis.
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:yeah, like I said in our previous
seen results in these campaigns,
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:and they're quite stellar, so you're
doing a really good job there.
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:And if anyone's interested in getting
Dan to do an audit, to see if we're
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:getting You can squeeze any more
revenue out of any existing email flows.
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:If you're using cloud value, it
doesn't cost anything to do anything.
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:Dan will go in and he'll
have a look and go, yep.
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:if you're doing well, he'll say, yeah.
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:That's fine.
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:You don't need me.
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:Or he might say, Hey, yeah, there's
definitely opportunity there.
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:And I think you've, we've had
about four clients from solutions
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:out of onboarded recently.
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:they're going to be utilizing
your services the system as well.
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:So we should have some more case
studies to show people very soon.
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:Hopefully.
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:that'll be the key.
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:Thanks for your time.
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:catch you Next week, maybe.
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:See you.