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What Happens to Google in a Recession

More economists are becoming convinced that a recession is likely to hit in 2023. But will Google continue to be as resilient to recessions as it was during the Great Recession of 2008 and the Pandemic Recession of 2020?

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What happens to Google ads in a recession?

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First of all, I'm not saying a recession's coming, cuz I have no idea.

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What I am saying is other people are telling me a recession's coming.

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And so I tend to follow the model that you want to run dual playbooks.

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So you wanna prepare for the flood and you wanna prepare for the drought at

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the same time you wanna continue to do that until it becomes obvious, which of

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those routes you should be following.

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What I will say to my younger entrepreneurs is don't ignore

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it because I've been caught on the wrong side of that too.

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And, that's a dangerous place to be.

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So.

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You know, , if there are people that are intelligent and it's their job

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to know, and they're saying that something like this is possible, then

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assume like something like this is possible, but don't, don't go too

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far in the other direction either.

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We don't wanna throw on our tenfold hat and, and, , Batten down the

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hatches because that's, that's equally dangerous for obvious reasons.

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For Google ADSD specifically, what I wanna do is talk through what I think,

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and then maybe stress test that.

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So if you disagree with anything, I'm about to say, I'd love to hear

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from you in the comments please.

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And thank you.

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I wanna offer two.

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Very specific data points.

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The first one is I, I'm gonna link to an article from seeking

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alpha which is a publication.

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Respect when it comes to as much as I can respect any publication that's

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that's publishing stock buying tips.

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But what they reference is the fact that in the 2008 recession,

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Google actually made money.

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Their operating margins increased their earnings per share grew and

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while their growth slowed, they still grew, which is, which is, that was a

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difficult thing to pull off in that particular context and environment.

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And during the pandemic.

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Google CPCs went up on average 200%.

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Ryan D had a really cool slide in his keynote presentation at TNC that year

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where he showed every other advertising network and it was like Facebook up

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90% Pinterest up 76% TikTok up 90% or whatever, and then Google up 200%.

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Here's why Google is the closest thing to instant gratification and

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an advertiser can have, it's actually one of the, the disadvantages of it.

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It's one of the reasons that people try to.

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They try to work themselves out of being Google dependent really

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quickly, which sucks for my business.

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But I, I understand it.

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And I do the same thing.

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We rely on our podcast on our YouTube channel referrals, obviously our

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community, our organic optimization.

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You wanna be able to rely on all of those because the acquisition

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cost of a client is cheaper.

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And in many, many, many instances, you get a better client.

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The flip side of that coin though, is Google is a lever that

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you can pull, pull quickly and.

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Most cases achieve a result faster than you're gonna be able to

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achieve it in any other channel.

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So in a recessive environment, money floods to Google, and you might

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think to yourself, well, I'm a Google ads agency, or I'm a Google ads.

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Freelancer.

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That's a good thing.

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careful, careful, because what it's going to do is maybe it's going to

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make you a more attractive alternative when compared to other agencies.

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But the other thing it's also going to do is it's going to muddy the waters

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and that's, that's the wrong term.

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It's gonna shake the foundation of every single client that you have.

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Every client that you have regardless of the industry even in recession

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proof industries is going to have to deal with an ecosystem where, , they

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say rising tides floats all ships.

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Well, that's true in, in a negative ecosystem too.

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So if money flush comes into Google every single client that you have is

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going to experience increased CPCs or.

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A, an adjusted environment in one way or the other.

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And what's frustrating about it is it's almost always I say this

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based off of two events, but, but I actually think I'm comfortable

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saying this it's transient by nature.

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It has to be because you're not experiencing AGA shift in the market.

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What you're experiencing is a bunch of people that are for

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whatever reason, trying to.

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Trying to put a bandaid on a problem.

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And anytime there's death rattle money, you gotta be really

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careful with death rattle money.

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And what that means is, is there are going to be, is for, for specific industries.

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There are gonna be people that put all of what they have left into Google

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in order to see if they can survive.

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And that's the thing to think.

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Here's here's a quick thought experiment that we can run together.

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If you are a business, pick your industry from, , I don't care, mortgage processing

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to flourish shop to, , mortuary.

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It doesn't matter if you're a business and you're about to go under and

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you have 90 days left and you have insert any amount of money here.

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If you have 10 grand or a hundred grand, where do you put it?

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The answer is.

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I, I don't think there's a close second.

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And somebody challenged me on that too.

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Like maybe you go hardcore, outbound, but even that takes time, anybody who

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knows like what it takes to do outbound lead generation organically from the

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ground up, you have to build a pipeline.

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The, the, if, if, if you've got 90 days and a hundred grand or 10 grand or

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50 grand or a million dollars, you're gonna go straight to Google and that.

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The environment that you're gonna be dealing with depending

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on how deep this recession goes.

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And what's really interesting about it is that's gonna push

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out a lot of legitimate players.

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So if you're running Google ads, campaigns, especially if you're not

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an agency or Google ads manager, let me flip over to just, I just

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run Google ads for my business.

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What could potentially happen to you is every competitor you've ever had

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is going to rush into Google in order to try to capture as much market share

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as they can just for survivability.

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And they're gonna be bidding in a way that isn't That isn't sustainable,

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but they're gonna be doing that by attention because in a lot of ways it's

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like, look, I don't need to make money.

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I just need to break.

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Even.

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I just need to move product.

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I just need cashflow.

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I just need to keep my people busy.

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One of my clients was one of the largest, he's a sixth largest

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employer in Arizona, I think.

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And he, he does commercial and residential contracting and he said

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for years they were doing deals.

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At cost or sometimes at a loss, just because he knew he couldn't,

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if he, if he didn't take on the deals, he wouldn't have a crew.

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And so when, and at cruises and when the economy came back, he

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wouldn't have anybody left to build.

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And talent was such a difficult thing for him to attract, , German carpenter.

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If you're talking about the skilled trades, those are tough folks to

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get a hold of more and more so now.

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And, and he understood that.

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And so he kept, he was building buildings at a loss in order to.

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Just keep his people busy, imagine advertising against him, right?

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He doesn't need positive ROI.

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He needs something else.

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And, and that's the environment you get pushed into.

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Look at anybody in the perishable space and a downed economy.

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Anybody in the perishable space just needs to move product.

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It doesn't matter if they're moving that product at a five

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or 10% loss, 20% loss, 30% loss.

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I'd rather take a 30% loss than a hundred percent loss.

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And this.

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, it's not, it's not shelf stable.

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And, and there's so many examples like that where, , you get into solar

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practitioners again, that just, just need to, all, all I need to do is

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just make this one sale and then I'm gonna be able to, , satiate myself

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in, in order to get to the next month.

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Orthodont is a good example of that, where your, the value of

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a potential client is so high.

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That they're willing to bid up, especially for a solo practitioner that doesn't

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have that great big office to run.

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And, , isn't necessarily employing multiple doctors.

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They can pay way more than, than you might be able to pay if you're, , running a,

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a, a collection of practices or whatever.

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So advertising in a recessive environment changes the key performance indicators.

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It also brings in desperation and the desperation is going to, , it's dumb

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money, it's dumb money and dumb money is going to cost everybody because.

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The amount of money that they're willing to spend again is, is not

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connected to a specific output.

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The benefit we have to the dumb money is it's not sustainable.

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And that which leads me to the second phase.

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So the first phase in this imaginary recession that I chicken little I'm

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bringing to you is you have kind of the blood on the streets moment

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where everybody starts advertising.

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You're now contending with all of this, but what ends up happening then?

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And I've, I've actually seen this personally.

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We saw this personally in the real estate investment world.

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Me and my business partner had the highest performing real estate investment

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campaign on the planet for seven years.

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And what was interesting about it is because of where we were, when we entered

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this market before we were even running as it as an agency, we were running

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it as potential real estate investors.

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People had abandoned Google because it got so expensive because during the

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recession, everybody went straight to Google and it got so expensive and it

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got so saturated that they all left.

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Well, they all left at the same damn time.

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And so all of a sudden, when we entered, it was a blue ocean

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and it was a blue ocean because everybody had had exhausted Google.

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I've actually seen the same thing happen with direct mail.

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Now more recently, All the, the real estate investors left direct mail and

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they all left it at the same time.

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Cuz it got so saturated and so saturated and so saturated and the performance

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drop and the performance and the performance drop to where they all

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just said, okay, we're not doing this well, when they all left, it's now

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actually a really viable marketing model or it was for the last 18 months.

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So that's the thing that you need to monitor.

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especially if you're a more legitimate business, the, the, the, the message

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that I have for you is this is actually a pretty, pretty interesting opportunity

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because there there's bloat here in the current economic situation that we're in.

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And I can tell you that with integrity too, I'm not an economist, as I said

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and I'm not, , a prognosticator, I don't know what the hell I'm talking

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about when it comes to a lot of those things, but I do know what I'm talking

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about when it comes to Google ads.

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And I can tell you for the.

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two years.

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Definitely.

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But even, even three years, I've seen some businesses that shouldn't be in business.

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, people with no inventory, no value proposition, no margin, but because we're

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in such a forgiving market with such free liquidity, they've been able to survive

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way longer than they should have been able to survive a recessive environ.

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Burns them off.

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They, it burns off the dead wood.

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And, and, and forgive me for saying, I hope this doesn't sound callous.

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That's necessary.

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It's necessary.

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And for a lot of you, especially in the E eco space, you've seen this, you've

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seen it to where you're like, gosh, I actually source the product, buy the

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product, store the product, fill the product, deal with customer service.

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I do all of these things and I'm getting priced outta my own market

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by these idiot drop shippers that are willing to, to, , if they get 1.2

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Roaz they're happy cuz they have no.

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Costs, no overhead, no nothing.

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, and, and, and they're, they're putting themselves in a position where like,

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they're, they're squeaking out their little, teeny, tiny itty bitty margins,

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but for them that's good enough because it's just a kid in a dorm or whatever.

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So, , you take that and, and you cascade it across multiple

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models in multiple industries.

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And you find yourself in a position where you're like, gosh, this is actually

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be really healthy for the economy.

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But from a Google ads perspective, there is this limited epoch.

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And I don't know how long this is, by the way, how could I, but there's this limited

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EEP where things are gonna get really tumultuous and and , cost is gonna go up.

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Visibility is gonna go down.

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The competitive market is gonna get.

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put on its head for most industries, but then as abruptly as it starts, it stops

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because nobody can sustain that the death rattle money goes away, cuz people die.

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And what's interesting about that is you don't know when it ends, unless

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you're spending this isn't data that's publicly available, right?

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Google's not gonna tell you like, oh, Hey, time to come back.

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You, you actually have to find a way to, to reasonably and without damage

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or detriment to yourself, you have to find a way to continue to To continue

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to keep your pulse, your finger to the pulse of your particular Google

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LA's economy in order to determine when it is that you should Ratt up.

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And when you should go for a land grab and, and, , attempt

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to achieve market share.

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And that's, what's really interesting is on the other side of this, , it's the

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whole Warren buffet thing of you buy fear.

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You buy fear because your competitors, I promise you is a ubiquitous truth.

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80% of 'em are gonna get scared and they're gonna turn it off.

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Well, now you get to step.

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and you get to capture that market share substantially less money

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than, than you were paying before.

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So a recession can be a category king maker on some levels.

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If there is a recession, that's actually really good for me as an agency.

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I think I'm, , if there's a recession, if there's a really strong recession,

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I lose 10 or 20% of my client base.

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If, for reasons that are completely outside of my control, for reasons that

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don't even really pertain to advertising or marketing you lose 10 to 20% of

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your client base, , solvency cash flow.

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Financial issues over extension loans, especially with the fulfillment

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cycles right now, the, the, the pipelines on products, those types

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of things, but what happens, and I'm not telling this is advisable.

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I don't think it's a good thing.

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Actually, people fire, they fire their agencies and they.

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All non-performance based marketing.

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So SEO goes, branding goes, content goes, social goes people

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are gonna cut off the things.

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They can't connect directly to their pocketbook, that they can't

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connect directly to ROI now.

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And again, I don't think that's a good thing.

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I don't think that's a good thing because , if you're an SEO agency, the

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way to protect yourself from this, by the way is to show them the timeline.

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Say, look, if you cut me off now, yes, you're saving your however much.

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I'm charging you a month now, but in 18 months, you're

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gonna see the impact of this.

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Can you afford to do that?

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Sometimes the answer's yes.

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Sometimes the answer's no.

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So connect yourself to ROI in some way, but what I will tell you, what

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I think happens is people are gonna cut off all of the, I don't wanna

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call 'em vanity marketing endeavors, because they're not vanity per se, but

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they're not immediately monetizable.

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That's how, that's how we'll contextualize this.

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People are gonna cut off all of the marketing methods and are not

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immediately monetizable, and they're gonna go straight to Google and I'm

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gonna have access to clients that I didn't have access to before.

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I'm gonna have access to, I'm gonna be able to move upstream, which

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I actually saw happen in COVID.

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We're gonna be able to unseat competitors that have been

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playing set it and forget it.

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Not really paying attention as people start to pay attention to

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the bottom line more and more.

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So recession is, is good for me in some instances as

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predatory, that sounds is true.

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However, you wanna be really careful with dangerous and desperate money.

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So if you're running an agency, here's my advice to you.

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You don't wanna take anybody to save me money if somebody comes to

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you and they're like, Hey, look, I've got an unlimited budget.

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As long as X, you wanna be.

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Really careful about what X is and what promises you're making and what

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you're paying attention to, because sometimes you will find that people are

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hiring you just so they have somebody to blame as the ship starts to sink.

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So be really careful a that you're not taking on somebody

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who's just a lost cause.

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And then also B you want to be really careful about the longevity

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of this particular prospect, because , for agencies we're not profit.

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Front loaded, , the first 3, 6, 9 months, however long it takes for you

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to really make those campaigns function.

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You're probably burning time, which means you're burning money.

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And if you're dealing with somebody who's only gonna be with you for the six, or,

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, a recession is two quarters by definition.

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Now it can last longer than that, but let's say they're, , this one's shorter.

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And that's what the punts are saying.

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Although they're all idiots.

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I hope they all drown in Nevada piss, to be honest with you.

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I think that they're part of the problem they cause this

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issue, but that's my saltbox.

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I'll leave it alone.

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you wanna be careful about those clients?

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The clients that you take on that are just with you for the desperate season,

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because they're gonna cost you way more time than normal client costs you.

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And they're not gonna be with you for a very long time.

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So that will be the thing that I'm sort of guarding against as

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well during this recessive period, assuming the recessive period happens.

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But I would tell people, especially people that, , if you're not an agency, if you're

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just a company be careful about this is a, this is a cliche for a reason, you can't.

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advertising in a down economy because you're going to kill your pipeline.

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You just wanna make sure you're advertising very, very,

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very, very, very efficiently.

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And that doesn't necessarily mean Google ads.

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It means whatever is the most bang for your buck, the most efficient model that

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you can possibly isolate But you also wanna know where your levers are and

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you wanna know what your acquisition campaigns look like, and you wanna know

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what your conversion campaigns look like, because everybody's gonna turn off their

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acquisition campaigns, because that's where the easiest place to save money

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with the least amount of pain now today.

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But then that means that your conversion campaigns, , whatever your sales

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cycle is 90 days, then your conversion campaign, 90 days from now fails.

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So pay attention to your timeline, pay attention to.

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Pay attention to your sales cycle.

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And know if I make this change now, today, what is this going to do?

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You have to have the impact report done and then pay attention to the competitive

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market in, in ecosystem, because it's gonna, it's gonna get kind of nuts if this

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happens, but then it, but then it kind of stabilizes and it becomes a ghost town.

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And that again is a really interesting opportunity depending on your industry.

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So, anyway, I hope I haven't depressed you.

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I know it's no fun to sit here and talk about or think.

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a recession.

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But what's less fun is being caught underwear.

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So I wanna, , do my best to at least begin having this conversation.

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Maybe there will be more of these.

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Maybe there won't be sort of depends on how much I get yelled at.

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I've lived through one already and it destroyed my business.

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So I have entrepreneurial PTSD, and I'm also a little paranoid.

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I saw a really funny tweet about Ray Dalio.

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They said he's predicted 12 over the last three recessions, which I thought

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was funny, cuz it applies to me too.

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Like I always.

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The flood is coming, but I, I actually think the person who

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always think the flood is coming is the one who doesn't drown.

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So I'd rather be more cautious and publish this than have a bunch of people make fun

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of me years from now, or months from now.

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Not that anybody really pays attention to what I'm saying, but what I mean?

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I'd rather be wrong and careful than write and fool hearty and full

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hearty, , especially given that I have 85 employees and I've gotta make

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sure that I'm taking care of people.

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So I'd love to know what y'all think in the comments.

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That's all I got.

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I'll see you tomorrow.

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Wait before you go, I'm constantly looking for amazing people to come join our team.

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So if you're passionate about Google ADSS and you're passionate about customer

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success, please go to so late.com/apply.

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